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#1 Posted: 14 Feb 2010 04:46 am Post subject: Scientology |
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Extremely Brief overview of scientology:
Just a quick overview of what they believe and how you can learn the secrets of scientology
Beliefs:
Scientology teaches that people are immortal spiritual beings who have forgotten their true nature.[4] Its method of spiritual rehabilitation is a type of counseling known as auditing, in which practitioners aim to consciously re-experience painful or traumatic events in their past in order to free themselves of their limiting effects.[5] Study materials and auditing courses are made available to members in return for specified donations.[6] Scientology is legally recognized as a tax-exempt religion in the United States and some other countries,[7][8][9][10] and the Church of Scientology emphasizes this as proof that it is a bona fide religion.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology)
L. Ron Hubbard:
Science Fiction Writer/ Self Help Program Creator (dianetics)
Controversies of Scientology
Scientology's disconnection policy, in which members are encouraged to cut off all contact with friends or family members who are "antagonistic" to Scientology.[207]
The death of a Scientologist Lisa McPherson while in the care of the Church. (Robert Minton sponsored the multi-million dollar law suit against Scientology for the death of McPherson. In May 2004, McPherson's estate and the Church of Scientology reached a confidential settlement.)[208]
Criminal activities committed on behalf of the Church or directed by Church officials (Operation Snow White, Operation Freakout).
Conflicting statements about L. Ron Hubbard's life, in particular accounts of Hubbard discussing his intent to start a religion for profit and of his service in the military.[17]
Scientology's harassment and litigious actions against its critics encouraged by its Fair Game policy.[17]
Attempts to legally force search engines such as Google and Yahoo! to omit any webpages critical of Scientology from their search engines (and in Google's case, AdSense), or at least the first few search pages.[209]
Allegations by former high-ranking Scientologists that David Miscavige beats and demoralizes staff and that physical violence by superiors towards staff working for them is a common occurrence in the church.[210][211] Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis denied these claims and provided witnesses to rebut them.[210]
In October 2009, a French court found the Church of Scientology guilty of organized fraud. Four officers of the organization were fined and given suspended prison sentences of up to 2 years. The organization was not banned or dissolved from activities in France and has appealed the judgment.[212]
In November 2009, Australian Senator Nick Xenophon used a speech in Federal Parliament to allege that the Church of Scientology is a criminal organisation. Based on letters from former followers of the religion, he said that there were "allegations of forced imprisonment, coerced abortions, and embezzlement of church funds, of physical violence and intimidation, blackmail and the widespread and deliberate abuse of information obtained by the organisation ..."[213]
Due to these allegations, a considerable amount of investigation has been aimed at the Church, by groups ranging from the media to governmental agencies.[190][204]
Scientology social programs such as drug and criminal rehabilitation have likewise drawn both support and criticism.
How To Become Enlightened.... EG: Cost
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Processing Intensives Cost per Total
Step Required Intensive Cost
or Course (IAS)
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Life Repair 2 x 12.5 hr $5,600 $11,200
Purification RD ----------- $2,560 $2,560
TRs & Objectives 2 x 12.5 hr $5,600 $11,200
Scn Drug Rundown 2 x 12.5 hr $5,600 $11,200
ARC Straightwire 2 x 12.5 hr $5,600 $11,200
Grade 0 3 x 12.5 hr $5,600 $16,800
Grade 1 2 x 12.5 hr $5,600 $11,200
Grade 2 2 x 12.5 hr $5,600 $11,200
Grade 3 2 x 12.5 hr $5,600 $11,200
Grade 4 2 x 12.5 hr $5,600 $11,200
New Era Dianetics 3 x 12.5 hr $5,600 $16,800
Clear Certainty RD 1 x 5 hr $2,800 $2,800
SUB-TOTAL TO CLEAR $128,560
*Solo Course Part 1 ----------- $3,200 $3,200
*OT Preparations 2 x 12.5 hr $3,300 $6,600
*Solo Course Part 2 ----------- $1,900 $1,900
*OT Eligibility 2 x 12.5 hr $3,300 $6,600
*OT I ----------- $2,000 $2,000
*OT II ----------- $3,800 $3,800
*OT III ----------- $6,500 $6,500
OT IV ?2 x 12.5 hr $6,500 $13,000
OT V 4 x 12.5 hr $7,400 $29,600
OT VI set-ups 2 x 12.5 hr $9,250 $18,500
OT VI ----------- $12,800 $12,800
Pledge Intensive 1 x 12.5 hr $9,250 $9,250
OT VII ----------- $3,500 $3,500
OT VII C/Sing
(per year) over 2 years $3,200 $6,400
OT VIII ----------- $10,000 $10,000
OT VIII auditing ?2 x 12.5 hr $7,400 $14,800
TOTAL BILL FROM RAW MEAT TO OT VIII 277,010
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"Wherever there was missing data on the list, I have estimated the cost based on current prices at Saint Hill organization, England, and indicated this with an asterisk symbol (*). Saint Hill prices come from an insert that accompanies "The Auditor" monthly journal. "(http://www.sweenytod.com/cos/pricelist.html)
i will not state my opinion, even though i believe the way i have presented the facts is information enough. Also, i have been to their website, i suggest it, and i found nothing. They never really stated what scientology is and they never really stated what they believe(besides 3 bullets on the right side about being an energy being, and the army slogan(be all that you can be))
Just a quick rundown on the "new religion of the 20th century"
If your thinking about joining scientology let me also direct you to dahn yoga, and moonie....Just google either one... you will find the place "where troubled souls without a purpose go to fit in"
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http://www.sweenytod.com/cos/pricelist.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
second spoiler:
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religion is fucking stupid to begin with, but scientology is on a whole nother level of fucking stupid. _____________________
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bumperooni _____________________
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| if you believe in any of this garbage and/or religion you are an ignorant fool. |
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#5 Posted: 15 Feb 2010 06:14 am Post subject: |
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| rukia wrote: | | religion is fucking stupid to begin with, but scientology is on a whole nother level of fucking stupid. |
Maybe we're all born from one man, who just appeared from a big gay egg from a big gay bird from a big gay planet in a big gay universe.
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| ohmyg0t wrote: | | if you believe in any of this garbage and/or religion you are an ignorant fool. |
persuading one to lose their faith is the act of an ignorant fool as well..
Faith is what keeps humanity going. there are some that transcend the faith wall, these are usually labeled intellectuals, but really how intelluctual are you if you steal faith.
Without faith the common people would never have adhered to any moral code.
Without the "god/gods/godesses" of the world, the people would have no reason to be good. While i myself do not believe in religion. i understand its power and its point. Some twisted it for their own profit/gain but do not forget.
Religion brought light when only darkness was around. What i mean by this is, in every religion there are some basic principles
These principles consist of :
1. Do not kill your fellow man
2. Honor those that brought you into this world and those that are elders (with age comes wisdom)
3. Do not steal from your fellow man, for he has worked for his gains, same as you.
4. Help those less fortunate than yourself.
5. Do not be jealous of your fellow man, each man is created as an equal and only through the story of his/her life and his/her actions, does this equality fade.
These are the rules to live by if you have no faith to go off of, then follow the moral code set by all religions. Without this guidance where would we be?
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second part:
You may say that religion only hindered humanity. this is most definitly true. But it was not religions fault, it was indeed humanity's fault. All scientific research banning was done by a human, not the principles of a religion,(key exception is islam, radical islam not regular islam, where to question the faith is considered a sin)
To blame a specific religion is just ludacris. for in the begining religion was only a tool. a tool to explain what was happening in our world around us. There are humans and animals, how did they come to exist? well it must have been some ultimate being, no normal human or animal can create all of life. Why does the earth bellow flames and red liquid. It must be the ultimate being angry with us. We had not the notion that this was just part of the geothermal/tectonic shifts of the earth. Why do these great storms hit, why do droughts and famines happen, why does the sky open and tunnels of wind suck the ground bare? All of these were explained by the concept that the ultimate being is punishing those for being wicked. Which instilled a fresh sense to follow the moral guidelines.
There would not be civilization as we know it today. What if instead of banding together to help our fellow man to make the world a better place for humanity we just killed each other and stole(not just individuals but humanity as a whole) Would there be a farmer willing to work hard to supply food to someone who say works on a computer all day. Why should one man tax his body and spirit to feed that of one who in the mind of the farmer has an easy job. The answer is simple, because he is in the end advancing the world. Every single job/career has a purpose towards the ultimate advance or decline of humanity. Without this constant struggle to advance then we would sit and stew. there would be no more diseases cured, no more interesting ways to escape the mundane, no more entertainment to dull the mind after a long day, no more machines to make our lives easier, no more reason to continue on.
TL:DR version:
Do not, i repeat, Do Not hinder anyones faith. ESPECIALLY UNSOLICITED. The only time this is acceptable is when the individual is putting themselves or those around them in danger(aka, suicide cults and the like). Every human is created equal untill they choose their path. _____________________
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#7 Posted: 15 Feb 2010 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| the_pillo wrote: | | ohmyg0t wrote: | | if you believe in any of this garbage and/or religion you are an ignorant fool. |
persuading one to lose their faith is the act of an ignorant fool as well..
Faith is what keeps humanity going. there are some that transcend the faith wall, these are usually labeled intellectuals, but really how intelluctual are you if you steal faith.
Without faith the common people would never have adhered to any moral code.
Without the "god/gods/godesses" of the world, the people would have no reason to be good. While i myself do not believe in religion. i understand its power and its point. Some twisted it for their own profit/gain but do not forget.
Religion brought light when only darkness was around. What i mean by this is, in every religion there are some basic principles
These principles consist of :
1. Do not kill your fellow man
2. Honor those that brought you into this world and those that are elders (with age comes wisdom)
3. Do not steal from your fellow man, for he has worked for his gains, same as you.
4. Help those less fortunate than yourself.
5. Do not be jealous of your fellow man, each man is created as an equal and only through the story of his/her life and his/her actions, does this equality fade.
These are the rules to live by if you have no faith to go off of, then follow the moral code set by all religions. Without this guidance where would we be?
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second part:
You may say that religion only hindered humanity. this is most definitly true. But it was not religions fault, it was indeed humanity's fault. All scientific research banning was done by a human, not the principles of a religion,(key exception is islam, radical islam not regular islam, where to question the faith is considered a sin)
To blame a specific religion is just ludacris. for in the begining religion was only a tool. a tool to explain what was happening in our world around us. There are humans and animals, how did they come to exist? well it must have been some ultimate being, no normal human or animal can create all of life. Why does the earth bellow flames and red liquid. It must be the ultimate being angry with us. We had not the notion that this was just part of the geothermal/tectonic shifts of the earth. Why do these great storms hit, why do droughts and famines happen, why does the sky open and tunnels of wind suck the ground bare? All of these were explained by the concept that the ultimate being is punishing those for being wicked. Which instilled a fresh sense to follow the moral guidelines.
There would not be civilization as we know it today. What if instead of banding together to help our fellow man to make the world a better place for humanity we just killed each other and stole(not just individuals but humanity as a whole) Would there be a farmer willing to work hard to supply food to someone who say works on a computer all day. Why should one man tax his body and spirit to feed that of one who in the mind of the farmer has an easy job. The answer is simple, because he is in the end advancing the world. Every single job/career has a purpose towards the ultimate advance or decline of humanity. Without this constant struggle to advance then we would sit and stew. there would be no more diseases cured, no more interesting ways to escape the mundane, no more entertainment to dull the mind after a long day, no more machines to make our lives easier, no more reason to continue on.
TL:DR version:
Do not, i repeat, Do Not hinder anyones faith. ESPECIALLY UNSOLICITED. The only time this is acceptable is when the individual is putting themselves or those around them in danger(aka, suicide cults and the like). Every human is created equal untill they choose their path. |
it's funny because you don't see the irony in your post. religion is fucking stupid, i repeat, religion is fucking stupid. faith can suck a cock too. _____________________
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| im not reading all that |
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rukia, I am concerned with the belief that humping an exit only will produce kids, and it's hard to understand how that could be associated with love.
It's dirty unsanitary and your only anti religion beliefs are associated directly with the common religous belief that in the beginning there was man and there was woman.
There was not 2 men hanging out one day and decided to create a kid.
Your dad believed in procreation.
Your mom knew it was right.
You fail in all your arguements as you were wrong to begin with. _____________________
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| rukia wrote: | | the_pillo wrote: | | ohmyg0t wrote: | | if you believe in any of this garbage and/or religion you are an ignorant fool. |
persuading one to lose their faith is the act of an ignorant fool as well..
Faith is what keeps humanity going. there are some that transcend the faith wall, these are usually labeled intellectuals, but really how intelluctual are you if you steal faith.
Without faith the common people would never have adhered to any moral code.
Without the "god/gods/godesses" of the world, the people would have no reason to be good. While i myself do not believe in religion. i understand its power and its point. Some twisted it for their own profit/gain but do not forget.
Religion brought light when only darkness was around. What i mean by this is, in every religion there are some basic principles
These principles consist of :
1. Do not kill your fellow man
2. Honor those that brought you into this world and those that are elders (with age comes wisdom)
3. Do not steal from your fellow man, for he has worked for his gains, same as you.
4. Help those less fortunate than yourself.
5. Do not be jealous of your fellow man, each man is created as an equal and only through the story of his/her life and his/her actions, does this equality fade.
These are the rules to live by if you have no faith to go off of, then follow the moral code set by all religions. Without this guidance where would we be?
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second part:
You may say that religion only hindered humanity. this is most definitly true. But it was not religions fault, it was indeed humanity's fault. All scientific research banning was done by a human, not the principles of a religion,(key exception is islam, radical islam not regular islam, where to question the faith is considered a sin)
To blame a specific religion is just ludacris. for in the begining religion was only a tool. a tool to explain what was happening in our world around us. There are humans and animals, how did they come to exist? well it must have been some ultimate being, no normal human or animal can create all of life. Why does the earth bellow flames and red liquid. It must be the ultimate being angry with us. We had not the notion that this was just part of the geothermal/tectonic shifts of the earth. Why do these great storms hit, why do droughts and famines happen, why does the sky open and tunnels of wind suck the ground bare? All of these were explained by the concept that the ultimate being is punishing those for being wicked. Which instilled a fresh sense to follow the moral guidelines.
There would not be civilization as we know it today. What if instead of banding together to help our fellow man to make the world a better place for humanity we just killed each other and stole(not just individuals but humanity as a whole) Would there be a farmer willing to work hard to supply food to someone who say works on a computer all day. Why should one man tax his body and spirit to feed that of one who in the mind of the farmer has an easy job. The answer is simple, because he is in the end advancing the world. Every single job/career has a purpose towards the ultimate advance or decline of humanity. Without this constant struggle to advance then we would sit and stew. there would be no more diseases cured, no more interesting ways to escape the mundane, no more entertainment to dull the mind after a long day, no more machines to make our lives easier, no more reason to continue on.
TL:DR version:
Do not, i repeat, Do Not hinder anyones faith. ESPECIALLY UNSOLICITED. The only time this is acceptable is when the individual is putting themselves or those around them in danger(aka, suicide cults and the like). Every human is created equal untill they choose their path. |
it's funny because you don't see the irony in your post. religion is fucking stupid, i repeat, religion is fucking stupid. faith can suck a cock too. |
you can hold your view how you like, but in a world where you expect tolerance how can you be so daft as to deny tolerance?
Also, if your not going to read it(even though i made a TL:DR version) then dont bother posting  _____________________
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| Cinemax wrote: | rukia, I am concerned with the belief that humping an exit only will produce kids, and it's hard to understand how that could be associated with love.
It's dirty unsanitary and your only anti religion beliefs are associated directly with the common religous belief that in the beginning there was man and there was woman.
There was not 2 men hanging out one day and decided to create a kid.
Your dad believed in procreation.
Your mom knew it was right.
You fail in all your arguements as you were wrong to begin with. |
juss jealous cuz i get waay more cock than you _____________________
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#12 Posted: 18 Feb 2010 07:07 am Post subject: |
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People with that opinion are destroying our democracy
They do not believe in our country, they do not believe in what the flag stands for they do not believe in any government agency they do not believe in all the troops we have lost dying for what they believe in.
| rukia wrote: | | Cinemax wrote: | rukia, I am concerned with the belief that humping an exit only will produce kids, and it's hard to understand how that could be associated with love.
It's dirty unsanitary and your only anti religion beliefs are associated directly with the common religous belief that in the beginning there was man and there was woman.
There was not 2 men hanging out one day and decided to create a kid.
Your dad believed in procreation.
Your mom knew it was right.
You fail in all your arguements as you were wrong to begin with. |
juss jealous cuz i get waay more cock than you |
Flamers are the reason I am scared to swim naked now.
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#13 Posted: 18 Feb 2010 11:52 am Post subject: Re: Scientology |
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#14 Posted: 18 Feb 2010 03:29 pm Post subject: Re: Scientology |
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| HelloKITTY wrote: | | Stfu you worthless pos |
blah blah blah, your vagina is diseased.. _____________________
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#15 Posted: 18 Feb 2010 03:33 pm Post subject: Re: Scientology |
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| HelloKITTY wrote: | | Stfu you worthless pos | show us tits |
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#16 Posted: 18 Feb 2010 05:19 pm Post subject: Re: Scientology |
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| the_pillo wrote: | | HelloKITTY wrote: | | Stfu you worthless pos |
blah blah blah, your vagina is diseased.. |
What a pleasant surprise; I didn't expect much from a brainwashed scientologist other than "hurr durr" and drooling. _________________ This user's signature has been disabled |
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#17 Posted: 19 Feb 2010 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: Scientology |
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| HelloKITTY wrote: | | the_pillo wrote: | | HelloKITTY wrote: | | Stfu you worthless pos |
blah blah blah, your vagina is diseased.. |
What a pleasant surprise; I didn't expect much from a brainwashed scientologist other than "hurr durr" and drooling. |
you may want to get your facts right... im an atheist.... i am very much against scientology, dahn yoga, and unification church...
I dont believe there is a higher power that created anything... i think we are a freak accident of nature.... some cosmic radiation hit the primordial ooze and boom.. we had micro organisms.. in fact there was an experiment using the primordial ooze (its a mixture of chemicals), where the scientist introduced a small amount of electricity to the ooze. to simulate a lightning strike and micro organisms were there the next day.....
For one, i still believe your vagina is diseased _____________________
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#18 Posted: 20 Feb 2010 02:25 pm Post subject: Re: Scientology |
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| the_pillo wrote: | | HelloKITTY wrote: | | the_pillo wrote: | | HelloKITTY wrote: | | Stfu you worthless pos |
blah blah blah, your vagina is diseased.. |
What a pleasant surprise; I didn't expect much from a brainwashed scientologist other than "hurr durr" and drooling. |
you may want to get your facts right... im an atheist.... i am very much against scientology, dahn yoga, and unification church...
I dont believe there is a higher power that created anything... i think we are a freak accident of nature.... some cosmic radiation hit the primordial ooze and boom.. we had micro organisms.. in fact there was an experiment using the primordial ooze (its a mixture of chemicals), where the scientist introduced a small amount of electricity to the ooze. to simulate a lightning strike and micro organisms were there the next day.....
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