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| Basi wrote: | | lol i love your analogy. but even in it, once it's proven that the village idiot is right and ancients did indeed steal some kid's dog. is the town supposed to do nothing over it and just let him be with the kid's stolen pup? |
The town can do anything they want as long as they're not breaking any laws in the process.
Even the law isn't able to do anything about something that happened outside of their jurisdiction.
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| #22 Posted: 22 Jan 2011 01:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Vassago wrote: | | Basi wrote: | | lol i love your analogy. but even in it, once it's proven that the village idiot is right and ancients did indeed steal some kid's dog. is the town supposed to do nothing over it and just let him be with the kid's stolen pup? |
The town can do anything they want as long as they're not breaking any laws in the process.
Even the law isn't able to do anything about something that happened outside of their jurisdiction. |
right but i'm saying what is the moral answer. ideally laws should be adaptive enough for the morally right solution to be conveyed in all instances. however laws aren't perfect and that isn't the case. i can kill someone in america and run to mexico and the FBI wouldn't be able to touch me. should that be the case? if someone has performed an obvious wrong, and despite there being no laws to prosecute that person, should that person be allowed to go on a technicality despite the person obviously wronging another person? |
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| #23 Posted: 22 Jan 2011 01:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Basi wrote: | | Vassago wrote: | | Basi wrote: | | lol i love your analogy. but even in it, once it's proven that the village idiot is right and ancients did indeed steal some kid's dog. is the town supposed to do nothing over it and just let him be with the kid's stolen pup? |
The town can do anything they want as long as they're not breaking any laws in the process.
Even the law isn't able to do anything about something that happened outside of their jurisdiction. |
right but i'm saying what is the moral answer. ideally laws should be adaptive enough for the morally right solution to be conveyed in all instances. however laws aren't perfect and that isn't the case. i can kill someone in america and run to mexico and the FBI wouldn't be able to touch me. should that be the case? if someone has performed an obvious wrong, and despite there being no laws to prosecute that person, should that person be allowed to go on a technicality despite the person obviously wronging another person? |
And stealing pixles is the same as killing someone and escaping extradition? You've got a pretty avatar there is that you in the picture? Or are you saying you should be forced to take it down labeled as a thief for using pics not provided by this site?
On a side note: Hot dogs and mac n cheese for lunch or beany weenies? Nvm went spaghetti o's.
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| #24 Posted: 22 Jan 2011 02:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Vassago wrote: | | Basi wrote: | | Vassago wrote: | | Basi wrote: | | lol i love your analogy. but even in it, once it's proven that the village idiot is right and ancients did indeed steal some kid's dog. is the town supposed to do nothing over it and just let him be with the kid's stolen pup? |
The town can do anything they want as long as they're not breaking any laws in the process.
Even the law isn't able to do anything about something that happened outside of their jurisdiction. |
right but i'm saying what is the moral answer. ideally laws should be adaptive enough for the morally right solution to be conveyed in all instances. however laws aren't perfect and that isn't the case. i can kill someone in america and run to mexico and the FBI wouldn't be able to touch me. should that be the case? if someone has performed an obvious wrong, and despite there being no laws to prosecute that person, should that person be allowed to go on a technicality despite the person obviously wronging another person? |
And stealing pixles is the same as killing someone and escaping extradition? You've got a pretty avatar there is that you in the picture? Or are you saying you should be forced to take it down labeled as a thief for using pics not provided by this site?
On a side note: Hot dogs and mac n cheese for lunch or beany weenies? |
is there a third option for your lunch menu 
the difference there would be i got my ava from lost and found (google), he had to steal it from someone's home (something private that doesn't pop up on a community search engine). don't get me wrong i see what you're saying completely, but here's a question for you. what if the original owner requested that the sig be taken down instead of a 3rd party, would your views be different? |
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| #25 Posted: 22 Jan 2011 02:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Basi wrote: | | Vassago wrote: | | Basi wrote: | | Vassago wrote: | | Basi wrote: | | lol i love your analogy. but even in it, once it's proven that the village idiot is right and ancients did indeed steal some kid's dog. is the town supposed to do nothing over it and just let him be with the kid's stolen pup? |
The town can do anything they want as long as they're not breaking any laws in the process.
Even the law isn't able to do anything about something that happened outside of their jurisdiction. |
right but i'm saying what is the moral answer. ideally laws should be adaptive enough for the morally right solution to be conveyed in all instances. however laws aren't perfect and that isn't the case. i can kill someone in america and run to mexico and the FBI wouldn't be able to touch me. should that be the case? if someone has performed an obvious wrong, and despite there being no laws to prosecute that person, should that person be allowed to go on a technicality despite the person obviously wronging another person? |
And stealing pixles is the same as killing someone and escaping extradition? You've got a pretty avatar there is that you in the picture? Or are you saying you should be forced to take it down labeled as a thief for using pics not provided by this site?
On a side note: Hot dogs and mac n cheese for lunch or beany weenies? |
is there a third option for your lunch menu
the difference there would be i got my ava from lost and found (google), he had to steal it from someone's home (something private that doesn't pop up on a community search engine). don't get me wrong i see what you're saying completely, but here's a question for you. what if the original owner requested that the sig be taken down instead of a 3rd party, would your views be different? |
If he's a member of this site maybe and only then if they can prove it's their property but there is no private images on the internet. Either way you're still using someone else's property regardless of how you get your hands on it.
And it's not my lunch I'm having steak/side salad/cheesy garlic mashed potatoes.
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| #27 Posted: 22 Jan 2011 02:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Ti wrote: | | this guy has a banned user in his clan |
Unless you're going to follow that up with they share the same ip address this information is irrelevant.
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| #28 Posted: 22 Jan 2011 02:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Vassago wrote: | | Basi wrote: | | Vassago wrote: | | Basi wrote: | | Vassago wrote: | | Basi wrote: | | lol i love your analogy. but even in it, once it's proven that the village idiot is right and ancients did indeed steal some kid's dog. is the town supposed to do nothing over it and just let him be with the kid's stolen pup? |
The town can do anything they want as long as they're not breaking any laws in the process.
Even the law isn't able to do anything about something that happened outside of their jurisdiction. |
right but i'm saying what is the moral answer. ideally laws should be adaptive enough for the morally right solution to be conveyed in all instances. however laws aren't perfect and that isn't the case. i can kill someone in america and run to mexico and the FBI wouldn't be able to touch me. should that be the case? if someone has performed an obvious wrong, and despite there being no laws to prosecute that person, should that person be allowed to go on a technicality despite the person obviously wronging another person? |
And stealing pixles is the same as killing someone and escaping extradition? You've got a pretty avatar there is that you in the picture? Or are you saying you should be forced to take it down labeled as a thief for using pics not provided by this site?
On a side note: Hot dogs and mac n cheese for lunch or beany weenies? |
is there a third option for your lunch menu
the difference there would be i got my ava from lost and found (google), he had to steal it from someone's home (something private that doesn't pop up on a community search engine). don't get me wrong i see what you're saying completely, but here's a question for you. what if the original owner requested that the sig be taken down instead of a 3rd party, would your views be different? |
If he's a member of this site maybe and only then if they can prove it's their property but there is no private images on the internet. Either way you're still using someone else's property regardless of how you get your hands on it.
And it's not my lunch I'm having steak/side salad/cheesy garlic mashed potatoes. |
i'm just seeing more gray compared to your view. i think that if you put images on to the web in an insecure manner, you've already quietly and unconsciously said that it's alright for other people to use, modify, change my images, especially when you post them in such an insecure way where they can end up on a basic search engine. however if this isn't the case and you privately host it and make no attempt to release it to the public, you're making more of an attempt to say fuck off this is my image don't steal it.
left over thai chicken pizza for me, trade you a piece for a bite of steak :/ |
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| #29 Posted: 22 Jan 2011 02:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Vassago wrote: | | Ti wrote: | | this guy has a banned user in his clan |
Unless you're going to follow that up with they share the same ip address this information is irrelevant. |
no but the banned dude is a well known scammer  he tried 2 scam me twice. and never learns 2 make a new email. |
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| #30 Posted: 22 Jan 2011 02:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Basi wrote: | i'm just seeing more gray compared to your view. i think that if you put images on to the web in an insecure manner, you've already quietly and unconsciously said that it's alright for other people to use, modify, change my images, especially when you post them in such an insecure way where they can end up on a basic search engine. however if this isn't the case and you privately host it and make no attempt to release it to the public, you're making more of an attempt to say fuck off this is my image don't steal it.
left over thai chicken pizza for me, trade you a piece for a bite of steak :/ |
It doesn't matter how they came across the image, unless it's copyrighted there isn't anything they can do about someone else taking it. The sig itself is of a pic taken from another person in which someone has put their name on but you want to judge ancients for doing the exact same thing just because he did it to someone who a member of this site knows? But this is a tangent of my argument in the first place.
I was saying that the moderation team at d3jsp should worry about enforcing the rules of d3jsp instead of worrying about the properties of person from another site that was only brought to their attention by someone who has a long standing grudge against the supposed "thief" in the first place.
Tis half a medium rare porter house.
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| #31 Posted: 22 Jan 2011 02:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Ti wrote: | | Vassago wrote: | | Ti wrote: | | this guy has a banned user in his clan |
Unless you're going to follow that up with they share the same ip address this information is irrelevant. |
no but the banned dude is a well known scammer he tried 2 scam me twice. and never learns 2 make a new email. |
Then I'm sure he could benefit from the old discussions about proxy servers here in the bf but that still doesn't have anything to do with ancients or his guild. Not every one's guild is invite only.
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| #32 Posted: 22 Jan 2011 02:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Vassago wrote: | | Basi wrote: | i'm just seeing more gray compared to your view. i think that if you put images on to the web in an insecure manner, you've already quietly and unconsciously said that it's alright for other people to use, modify, change my images, especially when you post them in such an insecure way where they can end up on a basic search engine. however if this isn't the case and you privately host it and make no attempt to release it to the public, you're making more of an attempt to say fuck off this is my image don't steal it.
left over thai chicken pizza for me, trade you a piece for a bite of steak :/ |
It doesn't matter how they came across the image, unless it's copyrighted there isn't anything they can do about someone else taking it. The sig itself is of a pic taken from another person in which someone has put their name on but you want to judge ancients for doing the exact same thing just because he did it to someone who a member of this site knows? But this is a tangent of my argument in the first place.
I was saying that the moderation team at d3jsp should worry about enforcing the rules of d3jsp instead of worrying about the properties of person from another site that was only brought to their attention by someone who has a long standing grudge against the supposed "thief" in the first place.
Tis half a medium rare porter house. |
i get what you're saying, but i still think it's more of a case of i found my image at goodwill and he found his from someone's closet
rare is the only way to go  my pizza was dank though |
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| Basi wrote: | | Vassago wrote: | | Basi wrote: | i'm just seeing more gray compared to your view. i think that if you put images on to the web in an insecure manner, you've already quietly and unconsciously said that it's alright for other people to use, modify, change my images, especially when you post them in such an insecure way where they can end up on a basic search engine. however if this isn't the case and you privately host it and make no attempt to release it to the public, you're making more of an attempt to say fuck off this is my image don't steal it.
left over thai chicken pizza for me, trade you a piece for a bite of steak :/ |
It doesn't matter how they came across the image, unless it's copyrighted there isn't anything they can do about someone else taking it. The sig itself is of a pic taken from another person in which someone has put their name on but you want to judge ancients for doing the exact same thing just because he did it to someone who a member of this site knows? But this is a tangent of my argument in the first place.
I was saying that the moderation team at d3jsp should worry about enforcing the rules of d3jsp instead of worrying about the properties of person from another site that was only brought to their attention by someone who has a long standing grudge against the supposed "thief" in the first place.
Tis half a medium rare porter house. |
i get what you're saying, but i still think it's more of a case of i found my image at goodwill and he found his from someone's closet
rare is the only way to go my pizza was dank though |
Unless this "closet" is a password protected private image hosting site then everything is "goodwill".
Left over pizza should only be eaten with beer. The steak was good with a little garlic and chive compound butter...
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| #34 Posted: 22 Jan 2011 03:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Vassago wrote: | | Basi wrote: | | Vassago wrote: | | Basi wrote: | i'm just seeing more gray compared to your view. i think that if you put images on to the web in an insecure manner, you've already quietly and unconsciously said that it's alright for other people to use, modify, change my images, especially when you post them in such an insecure way where they can end up on a basic search engine. however if this isn't the case and you privately host it and make no attempt to release it to the public, you're making more of an attempt to say fuck off this is my image don't steal it.
left over thai chicken pizza for me, trade you a piece for a bite of steak :/ |
It doesn't matter how they came across the image, unless it's copyrighted there isn't anything they can do about someone else taking it. The sig itself is of a pic taken from another person in which someone has put their name on but you want to judge ancients for doing the exact same thing just because he did it to someone who a member of this site knows? But this is a tangent of my argument in the first place.
I was saying that the moderation team at d3jsp should worry about enforcing the rules of d3jsp instead of worrying about the properties of person from another site that was only brought to their attention by someone who has a long standing grudge against the supposed "thief" in the first place.
Tis half a medium rare porter house. |
i get what you're saying, but i still think it's more of a case of i found my image at goodwill and he found his from someone's closet
rare is the only way to go my pizza was dank though |
Unless this "closet" is a password protected private image hosting site then everything is "goodwill".
Left over pizza should only be eaten with beer. The steak was good with a little garlic and chive compound butter... |
what about people who have possessions but no way to protect them? say a person with a doll who lives at an orphanage. just because that person lacks protection measures does that mean that person's doll is for everyone elses pleasure? |
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| #35 Posted: 22 Jan 2011 03:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Basi wrote: | | Vassago wrote: | | Basi wrote: | | Vassago wrote: | | Basi wrote: | i'm just seeing more gray compared to your view. i think that if you put images on to the web in an insecure manner, you've already quietly and unconsciously said that it's alright for other people to use, modify, change my images, especially when you post them in such an insecure way where they can end up on a basic search engine. however if this isn't the case and you privately host it and make no attempt to release it to the public, you're making more of an attempt to say fuck off this is my image don't steal it.
left over thai chicken pizza for me, trade you a piece for a bite of steak :/ |
It doesn't matter how they came across the image, unless it's copyrighted there isn't anything they can do about someone else taking it. The sig itself is of a pic taken from another person in which someone has put their name on but you want to judge ancients for doing the exact same thing just because he did it to someone who a member of this site knows? But this is a tangent of my argument in the first place.
I was saying that the moderation team at d3jsp should worry about enforcing the rules of d3jsp instead of worrying about the properties of person from another site that was only brought to their attention by someone who has a long standing grudge against the supposed "thief" in the first place.
Tis half a medium rare porter house. |
i get what you're saying, but i still think it's more of a case of i found my image at goodwill and he found his from someone's closet
rare is the only way to go my pizza was dank though |
Unless this "closet" is a password protected private image hosting site then everything is "goodwill".
Left over pizza should only be eaten with beer. The steak was good with a little garlic and chive compound butter... |
what about people who have possessions but no way to protect them? say a person with a doll who lives at an orphanage. just because that person lacks protection measures does that mean that person's doll is for everyone elses pleasure? |
If there are no rules in place to prevent it then yes, she's screwed. Though you're just grasping at straws trying to justify attacking someone for something that you, me, the original "owner", the person who brought forth the complaint and everyone else that posts here is guilty of; taking pictures that aren't ours, altering them and then posting them for our own enjoyment. You can liken it to a real world situation "which is just asinine" all you want but the fact remains that it's not illegal and there are no rules preventing it on this site or any other that I know of.
It's as you said earlier a moral issue, and the moderation team has to put the rules over their personal opinions. If they're going to voice their personal bias as the word of god then make a PaRD and do it there.
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