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This is complete train wreck, government does nothing but bullshit, now it costs me like $60 to fill my car up to full. And it's not even a big car 
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Once Libya/Egypt cool off (if they ever will) it will be a lot easier on us...then again once summer comes prices will just spike again
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| #4 Posted: 07 Apr 2011 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| $55 to fill up my tank in des moines iowa. thank god i don't live on the coast |
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Welcome to the problem with using a resource that is non renewable, in limited supply, and hard to get to. The fact that we allow OPEC to exist means that the monopoly on oil will never end. Winter the prices will drop, summer the prices will spike until there is no longer any oil to speak of.
You can blame all of these issues with egypt and libya and all that, but its not really the root problem. The root problem is the simple fact that north america has VAST amounts of oil underneath it. But, the united states government decided years ago that we were going to save our oil and import all the oil we use now. Brilliant idea in the case of oil supply depletion. but watch how many times we get attacked when we are the only ones with fossil fuel. But, i digress. When the government decided to do this they put stipulations on drilling, capping, and surveying. They nudged the oil companies to close their refineries with subsidies. They closed thousands and thousands of operating oil wells. Capping them to return another day.
The point of the story is, with the formation of OPEC, the mizerly efforts to preserve our own oil, and the increased demand from the outstretch of the suburbs. We have essentially made ourselves 75%+ dependent on foreign oil. the other countries see this and are exploiting it in order to build their own wealth. Believe it or not we have yet to leave the imperialism age. Until the united states government starts opening up our own wells again we will not find the relief we so desire. Until the day when the people and the government stand up and say "We will not pay these prices" we will continue to be bent over the gas pump taking it up the ass.
Easiest Fix for our energy problems.... mechanical energy, the use of gear ratios and other simple mechanical advantage tools to essentially multiply the energy we produce. In the case of a dam... instead of just using big dams we could potentially put a dam on a stream and still harvest VAST amounts of energy off of it. Simply have a paddle wheel that is attached to a very large gear. The gear moves slowly on a series of progressively smalled gears until the turbine or alernator at the end of the chain is on a tiny gear. The simplistic nature of the mechanical advantage will multiply they very miniscule amount of movement from the stream into the torrent of movement required to produce large quantities of energy. The same thing can be applied to wind turbines and such. The more initial movement pushed into the machine mean more energy output at the turbine step.
Maybe cut subsidies on oil companies for a year and offer huge subsidies to all american citizens for the purchase of a fully electric vehicle.
but, who am i to say. I am merely a hippie dreamer 
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| #7 Posted: 07 Apr 2011 06:43 pm Post subject: |
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yup im thinking of getting a hybrid..
my tank went from $40 every week to $55 every week
This is only considering School travel
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maybe but that video didnt contain any information on the process by which he transformed the water into a neutral substance to a more combustible substance. I mean if it is true, then by all means we need more research into it. But the current technology that can be mass produced shows that the future car (technology already around and easily mass produced) will be either Air based :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_air_car
or primarily electric. I would absolutely love to see other forms of transportation arise. The key issue we have is creating a machine with a higher efficiency. At the moment we have nothing even remotely close to perpetual motion. Buut, if we would merely add in little features we could drastically increase our chances.....
wind turbine on the exhaust of the vehicle, friction generators grabbing slight amounts of energy from the non powered wheels. Or more turbine features in the front of the car. I mean we could be harnassing small amounts of energy off of almost every process of a vehicle but we do not.
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i apologize for the link i posted i had to go and just grabbed the first youtube link that i saw hoping it would be semi informative. there are two water solutions right now, the second one has more potential but hasn't been practiced yet. the first one is available for consumers bold enough to take on the task
1. electolysis of water. you form H2 hydrogen gas. the theory is that this hydrogen gas can be used concurrently with the crude gasoline that is already in the tank to form this "brown mixture". hydrogen gas is sometiems referred to as browns gas so that's where they got that name from. from this brown mixture u basically just maximize the potential that is in your gasoline. the problem is installing the electrolysis converter (converts H20 to O2 and H2 which is not the easiest thing in the world. you can't just add water to your gas tank because nothing will happen (will just fuck up and erode your engine). only hydrogen gas can be added with the gasoline to produce this brown mixture.
2. you have constant fission and fusion reactions occurring in the tank. the hydrogen-oyxgen bonds break releasing lots of energy (to run the car) and the bonds reform spontaneously because that is the preferred situation for the atom radicals. since you're losing energy though some of the hydrogens that are radicalized aren't able to form bonds with the oxygen and remain radicals in the tank so the main problem is how to safely dispose of these radioactive radicals. also you lose a lot of water because of the constant hydrogen radicals that are leaving so there will have to be a constant influx of water (not as simple as just refilling your tank when you're empty). |
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I think I'm paying 121.x right now.
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| Zubair wrote: | | I think I'm paying 121.x right now. |
Jesus what do you drive? Was this with or without our "imabrownietoo" gas discount?
It's gone up 6 cents since last night x.X |
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| Basi wrote: | i apologize for the link i posted i had to go and just grabbed the first youtube link that i saw hoping it would be semi informative. there are two water solutions right now, the second one has more potential but hasn't been practiced yet. the first one is available for consumers bold enough to take on the task
1. electolysis of water. you form H2 hydrogen gas. the theory is that this hydrogen gas can be used concurrently with the crude gasoline that is already in the tank to form this "brown mixture". hydrogen gas is sometiems referred to as browns gas so that's where they got that name from. from this brown mixture u basically just maximize the potential that is in your gasoline. the problem is installing the electrolysis converter (converts H20 to O2 and H2 which is not the easiest thing in the world. you can't just add water to your gas tank because nothing will happen (will just fuck up and erode your engine). only hydrogen gas can be added with the gasoline to produce this brown mixture.
2. you have constant fission and fusion reactions occurring in the tank. the hydrogen-oyxgen bonds break releasing lots of energy (to run the car) and the bonds reform spontaneously because that is the preferred situation for the atom radicals. since you're losing energy though some of the hydrogens that are radicalized aren't able to form bonds with the oxygen and remain radicals in the tank so the main problem is how to safely dispose of these radioactive radicals. also you lose a lot of water because of the constant hydrogen radicals that are leaving so there will have to be a constant influx of water (not as simple as just refilling your tank when you're empty). |
OOOOO so what this is refering to is a constant hydrogen replenishment system. where the electrolysis is occuring within the vehicles mechanisms instead of being mass produced and sold in fuel cells. I like the idea. I am partially against the pure hydrogen car. Simply because hydrogen is dangerous when used incorrectly and our current storage devices being used in the hydrogen cars is less than effective in crashes or accidents.
Quite honestly, our best system we could have would be of the monorail variety. A simple system where the roads are turned into a magnetized monorail system. In which case each person has a pod system controlled by a central computer management console. Each pod would have motion and wind collecting systems that would harness the motion and send the leftover energy back into the system. Along with running solar panels along the "track" the system could be running on mostly free energy. This would allow vehicles to travel as blazing fast speeds "300+mph" safely and efficiently.
Each pod would contain a small gps type computer device inside the compartment. When the pod is stationary the occupant would enter the compartment and type in or select their destination from a list. The central control console would receive this and guide the pod to its destination quickly, safely, and efficiently. This would eliminate traffic jams and human error. of course the system would take some time to work out all the bugs but that can be done in the lab and any major bugs could be fixed in real time at the central control console.
Think about it i thought of this with a friend while toking in 10th grade. We even had the math figured out on the energy drainage compared to the energy gained through the solar panel system and the energy reclamation techniques such as motion and wind. it was beautiful
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| the_pillo wrote: | | Basi wrote: | i apologize for the link i posted i had to go and just grabbed the first youtube link that i saw hoping it would be semi informative. there are two water solutions right now, the second one has more potential but hasn't been practiced yet. the first one is available for consumers bold enough to take on the task
1. electolysis of water. you form H2 hydrogen gas. the theory is that this hydrogen gas can be used concurrently with the crude gasoline that is already in the tank to form this "brown mixture". hydrogen gas is sometiems referred to as browns gas so that's where they got that name from. from this brown mixture u basically just maximize the potential that is in your gasoline. the problem is installing the electrolysis converter (converts H20 to O2 and H2 which is not the easiest thing in the world. you can't just add water to your gas tank because nothing will happen (will just fuck up and erode your engine). only hydrogen gas can be added with the gasoline to produce this brown mixture.
2. you have constant fission and fusion reactions occurring in the tank. the hydrogen-oyxgen bonds break releasing lots of energy (to run the car) and the bonds reform spontaneously because that is the preferred situation for the atom radicals. since you're losing energy though some of the hydrogens that are radicalized aren't able to form bonds with the oxygen and remain radicals in the tank so the main problem is how to safely dispose of these radioactive radicals. also you lose a lot of water because of the constant hydrogen radicals that are leaving so there will have to be a constant influx of water (not as simple as just refilling your tank when you're empty). |
OOOOO so what this is refering to is a constant hydrogen replenishment system. where the electrolysis is occuring within the vehicles mechanisms instead of being mass produced and sold in fuel cells. I like the idea. I am partially against the pure hydrogen car. Simply because hydrogen is dangerous when used incorrectly and our current storage devices being used in the hydrogen cars is less than effective in crashes or accidents.
Quite honestly, our best system we could have would be of the monorail variety. A simple system where the roads are turned into a magnetized monorail system. In which case each person has a pod system controlled by a central computer management console. Each pod would have motion and wind collecting systems that would harness the motion and send the leftover energy back into the system. Along with running solar panels along the "track" the system could be running on mostly free energy. This would allow vehicles to travel as blazing fast speeds "300+mph" safely and efficiently.
Each pod would contain a small gps type computer device inside the compartment. When the pod is stationary the occupant would enter the compartment and type in or select their destination from a list. The central control console would receive this and guide the pod to its destination quickly, safely, and efficiently. This would eliminate traffic jams and human error. of course the system would take some time to work out all the bugs but that can be done in the lab and any major bugs could be fixed in real time at the central control console.
Think about it i thought of this with a friend while toking in 10th grade. We even had the math figured out on the energy drainage compared to the energy gained through the solar panel system and the energy reclamation techniques such as motion and wind. it was beautiful |
do you know how long (especially given the rate new technology is used/implemented in the US) incorporating a system like that would take...not to mention the amount of funds it would take to initially incorporate a system like that, and once it was decided to be implemented, how long it would take for all the construction (big run-on sentence). if we could put every aspect of our country on standby then PERHAPS it would be possible.
the answer to the gas crisis right now and the poor economy (and a much more likely option) is just a extremely efficient public transportation that makes owning a personal vehicle redundant and pointless. have them running 24/7 and you pay a small fee per use or you can have package options. of course they would have state of the art fuel economy by having water/electric supplemental fuel sources). this is a short term solution as well as a long term solution. i'm honestly surprised why it is so looked over in energy crisis debates (among politicians moreso than 'average joes')
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| Basi wrote: | | the_pillo wrote: | | Basi wrote: | i apologize for the link i posted i had to go and just grabbed the first youtube link that i saw hoping it would be semi informative. there are two water solutions right now, the second one has more potential but hasn't been practiced yet. the first one is available for consumers bold enough to take on the task
1. electolysis of water. you form H2 hydrogen gas. the theory is that this hydrogen gas can be used concurrently with the crude gasoline that is already in the tank to form this "brown mixture". hydrogen gas is sometiems referred to as browns gas so that's where they got that name from. from this brown mixture u basically just maximize the potential that is in your gasoline. the problem is installing the electrolysis converter (converts H20 to O2 and H2 which is not the easiest thing in the world. you can't just add water to your gas tank because nothing will happen (will just fuck up and erode your engine). only hydrogen gas can be added with the gasoline to produce this brown mixture.
2. you have constant fission and fusion reactions occurring in the tank. the hydrogen-oyxgen bonds break releasing lots of energy (to run the car) and the bonds reform spontaneously because that is the preferred situation for the atom radicals. since you're losing energy though some of the hydrogens that are radicalized aren't able to form bonds with the oxygen and remain radicals in the tank so the main problem is how to safely dispose of these radioactive radicals. also you lose a lot of water because of the constant hydrogen radicals that are leaving so there will have to be a constant influx of water (not as simple as just refilling your tank when you're empty). |
OOOOO so what this is refering to is a constant hydrogen replenishment system. where the electrolysis is occuring within the vehicles mechanisms instead of being mass produced and sold in fuel cells. I like the idea. I am partially against the pure hydrogen car. Simply because hydrogen is dangerous when used incorrectly and our current storage devices being used in the hydrogen cars is less than effective in crashes or accidents.
Quite honestly, our best system we could have would be of the monorail variety. A simple system where the roads are turned into a magnetized monorail system. In which case each person has a pod system controlled by a central computer management console. Each pod would have motion and wind collecting systems that would harness the motion and send the leftover energy back into the system. Along with running solar panels along the "track" the system could be running on mostly free energy. This would allow vehicles to travel as blazing fast speeds "300+mph" safely and efficiently.
Each pod would contain a small gps type computer device inside the compartment. When the pod is stationary the occupant would enter the compartment and type in or select their destination from a list. The central control console would receive this and guide the pod to its destination quickly, safely, and efficiently. This would eliminate traffic jams and human error. of course the system would take some time to work out all the bugs but that can be done in the lab and any major bugs could be fixed in real time at the central control console.
Think about it i thought of this with a friend while toking in 10th grade. We even had the math figured out on the energy drainage compared to the energy gained through the solar panel system and the energy reclamation techniques such as motion and wind. it was beautiful |
do you know how long (especially given the rate new technology is used/implemented in the US) incorporating a system like that would take...not to mention the amount of funds it would take to initially incorporate a system like that, and once it was decided to be implemented, how long it would take for all the construction (big run-on sentence). if we could put every aspect of our country on standby then PERHAPS it would be possible.
the answer to the gas crisis right now and the poor economy (and a much more likely option) is just a extremely efficient public transportation that makes owning a personal vehicle redundant and pointless. have them running 24/7 and you pay a small fee per use or you can have package options. of course they would have state of the art fuel economy by having water/electric supplemental fuel sources). this is a short term solution as well as a long term solution. i'm honestly surprised why it is so looked over in energy crisis debates (among politicians moreso than 'average joes') |
the problem for me with public transportation is the fact that i live in a rural area, the distance between my house and the closest store is like 5 miles or more. going anywhere else is like a 10 mile trip. our main town has like one bus that only runs during like 9-5 and it only runs from the college to the mall area. If we actually had a public transport system i might actually use it. it would be quite handy to have something 24/7 and not have to pay 3.85 a gallon
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I heard they where gonna use a state to start their own oil so US can supply their own oil somewhere in the Eastern Area
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biking to school is better for the environment sir
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Idd, biking to work or school is less expensive and better for the enviroment
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my teacher invented how to turn a bike into a motorbike
and it is battery charged
takes less than a $.25cents to recharge
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