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Post#1 Posted: 09 Apr 2011 03:42 am    Post subject: Science contest #1: How much is 1 mole? Reply with quote

Science contest #1
How much is 1 mole?
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PROBLEM: The mole is a unit of measurement for the amount of substance or chemical amount. I can surely say 1 mole of rice could feed whole world for a long time.
Calculate how thin would layer covering Earth made of 1 mole rice grains be, assumed 1 grain is 1 cube centimeter large and circumference of an Earth is 40000 km?

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Post#2 Posted: 09 Apr 2011 04:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surface area = 510,072,000 km2

510,072,000 km2 * (10 * 100 * 1000*)

= 510, 072, 000, 000, 000, 000 cm2

So you would need 510, 072, 000, 000, 000, 000 moles of rice.

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Post#3 Posted: 09 Apr 2011 06:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Surface area = 510,072,000 km2

510,072,000 km2 * (10 * 100 * 1000*)

= 510, 072, 000, 000, 000, 000 cm2

So you would need 510, 072, 000, 000, 000, 000 moles of rice.


Cancerous you are not asked to calculate moles, but how thin would layer of 1 mol be.

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Post#4 Posted: 09 Apr 2011 06:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh...1cm?
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Post#5 Posted: 09 Apr 2011 03:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh...1cm?
2 cm
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Post#7 Posted: 10 Apr 2011 08:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

(Grains of rice per layer) 510 072 000 000 000 000 / (population of earth) 6 770 000 000 000 = 75 342.9838 grains of rice per person.

There's about 3000 grains of rice in a bowl.

75 343/3000 = 75

So that's 75 bowls of rice per person.

Assuming it's rice for breakfast lunch and dinner, that's 25 days of rice supply.

"A long time" is hard, so I'll use a year as an example.

365/25 = 14.6

So that's 14.6 layers of rice.

1 layer = 1cm high
14.6cm deep each year.

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Post#8 Posted: 11 Apr 2011 03:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cancerous wrote:
(Grains of rice per layer) 510 072 000 000 000 000 / (population of earth) 6 770 000 000 000 = 75 342.9838 grains of rice per person.

There's about 3000 grains of rice in a bowl.

75 343/3000 = 75

So that's 75 bowls of rice per person.

Assuming it's rice for breakfast lunch and dinner, that's 25 days of rice supply.

"A long time" is hard, so I'll use a year as an example.

365/25 = 14.6

So that's 14.6 layers of rice.

1 layer = 1cm high
14.6cm deep each year.


A for effort but you're doing the question completely wrong. this has nothing to do with how many people there are in the world, how how much rice they eat. You made it a lot more complicated than it actually is, reread the question. "how thin would the layer of 1 mole of rice around the world which is 40 x 10^3 km?"

This is the answer...

40,000 km = 4,000,000,000 cm

6.02 x 10^23 grains of rice and each grain is (according to OP) 1 cm long so it's a simple 1:1 ratio. area of the world doesn't matter since the circum is given.

so total amount of grain, 6.02 x 10^23 divided by total area available 4 x 10^9 = a layer that is 1.505 x 10^14 cms

Now, assuming you didn't make a typo and that 40.000 you typed is 40 and not 40,000 the answer is different. This is assuming the C you provided is 40km instead of 40,000 km

40 km = 4,000,000 cm
6.02x10^23/4x10^6 = 1.505 x 10^17 cm thick

so if the C is 40,000km = a minimum layer that is 1.505x 10^14 cm
and if the C is 40 km = a minimum layer that is 1.505 x10^17 cm



Edit: This is actually wrong too lol, i'm a moron. check my next post because apparently i forgot 8th grade geometry


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Post#9 Posted: 11 Apr 2011 03:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok here's the answer, i'm going to assume the circumference you provided is actually 40,000 instead of 40.000 and that it was just a typo

to know how much rice will form a layer to cover the entire world, you need to know what the entire world is. you have to calculate surface area from the given circumference first, a key step i sidestepped in my other post.

C= 2*pi*r, and we must solve for r (radius)
r = C/pi * 2; r = 6369 km

now with this radius, we must calculate surface area (SA)
SA = 4*pi*r^2
SA= 5.0952 x 10^8 cubic km

now cubic km to cubic cm
5.0952 x 10^8 cubic km x 1*10^15 = 5.0952 x 10^23 cubic cm = SA in cubic cm

6.02 x 10^23 cubic cm of rice / 5.0952 x 10^23 cubic cm SA= a layer that is 1.181 cm

and that's the answer, once again assuming a 40,000 circumference
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Post#10 Posted: 13 Apr 2011 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Post#11 Posted: 13 Apr 2011 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you need to bump a stickied topic?
Lol.

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Post#12 Posted: 14 Apr 2011 09:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do u bump when the correct answer is already there o.O

for shits and giggles I just quadruple checked the math and formulas and it's all right
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I forgot topic is stikied and none of the answers is correct.
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Post#14 Posted: 14 Apr 2011 04:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vitan wrote:
I forgot topic is stikied and none of the answers is correct.


1.81cm is right. literally gave it to my physics major friend and he gave me the same answer couple hours after i posted my answer.

idc about the fg, but you better double check your math tootz.

i was trying to be nice but now im slightly annoyed. the question is already extremely flawed because perimeters (aka circumference) is a 2 dimensional measurement and you cannot just transition at will to 3 dimensional measurements. the transition method is extremely flawed. if you calculate the radius given that number it will always be slightly off, and if you attempt to go the 3d route using radians it will be even more off. if you asked how thick would a LINE of rice be around the world (aka a 2 dimensional measurement) then you could have an exact number.

however converting it so SA has a much lower degree for error than going the radian route, so 1.81 is the answer that is the best estimate given the variables you provided.


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Vitan wrote:
I forgot topic is stikied and none of the answers is correct.


1.81cm is right. literally gave it to my physics major friend and he gave me the same answer couple hours after i posted my answer.

idc about the fg, but you better double check your math tootz.

i was trying to be nice but now im slightly annoyed. the question is already extremely flawed because perimeters (aka circumference) is a 2 dimensional measurement and you cannot just transition at will to 3 dimensional measurements. the transition method is extremely flawed. if you calculate the radius given that number it will always be slightly off, and if you attempt to go the 3d route using radians it will be even more off. if you asked how thick would a LINE of rice be around the world (aka a 2 dimensional measurement) then you could have an exact number.

however converting it so SA has a much lower degree for error than going the radian route, so 1.81 is the answer that is the best estimate given the variables you provided.


1 mole rice is much more...

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Post#16 Posted: 14 Apr 2011 04:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1 mole of rice is 6.02 x 10^23 grains...

"6.02 x 10^23 cubic cm of rice / 5.0952 x 10^23 cubic cm SA= a layer that is 1.181 cm"

do you know how many cubic cm there are in this world lol? about a mole's worth
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gave u 2 weeks, plenty o' time to discover the correct answer for yourself dear
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Post#18 Posted: 29 Apr 2011 02:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Science contest #1: How much is 1 mole? Reply with quote

Vitan wrote:
Science contest #1
How much is 1 mole?
Science: Chemistry


PROBLEM: The mole is a unit of measurement for the amount of substance or chemical amount. I can surely say 1 mole of rice could feed whole world for a long time.
Calculate how thin would layer covering Earth made of 1 mole rice grains be, assumed 1 grain is 1 cube centimeter large and circumference of an Earth is 40000 km?

REWARD: Best calculation wins 100 Fg. DEADLINE: May 1st



This question is not worded right at all.

Are you asking how thin/thick would a mole of rice be if it covered the Surface Area of the Earth?
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Post#19 Posted: 29 Apr 2011 02:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Science contest #1: How much is 1 mole? Reply with quote

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Vitan wrote:
Science contest #1
How much is 1 mole?
Science: Chemistry


PROBLEM: The mole is a unit of measurement for the amount of substance or chemical amount. I can surely say 1 mole of rice could feed whole world for a long time.
Calculate how thin would layer covering Earth made of 1 mole rice grains be, assumed 1 grain is 1 cube centimeter large and circumference of an Earth is 40000 km?

REWARD: Best calculation wins 100 Fg. DEADLINE: May 1st



This question is not worded right at all.

Are you asking how thin/thick would a mole of rice be if it covered the Surface Area of the Earth?


yeah that's the only thing he logically could have meant. unless he literally meant how thick a layer would be to cover the circumference which would be a line with zero depth around the world which can't exist.
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Post#20 Posted: 29 Apr 2011 02:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

118022.55367869634090873445317524 cubic cm thin

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